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kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think getting in his face was just the right medicine last night. >> now, let me ask the big picture political question, dana, and i want margie to weigh in as well. the democratic base for mr. b biden or did it just help ril up the base? >> it did clearly energyize the base. people are asking does that turn off independents or undecideds. i think even if it did that to some extent, what needed to be done was the reverse, the narrative that had been in place since a week ago that the democrats were back on their heels on the defensive. joe biden was not on the defensive last night. he
kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think getting in his face was...
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. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: tonight, in a heated exchange about taxes, an echo of that moment. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes, is cut the morning deduction for middle class people. cut the health care deduction for middle class people. take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they are -- >> is he wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. it's been done before. >> it has never been done before. >> a couple of times. >> jack kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan -- >> reporter: at the end, each man summed up and both chose to attack. >> my friend says that 30% of the american people are takers. romney points out 47% of the people won't take responsibility. he's talking about my mother and father. talking about the places i grew up, my neighbors. he's talking about, he's talking about the people that built this country. all they're looking for is an even shot. >> president obama, he had his chance. he made his choices. this is not what a real recovery looks like. you deserve
. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: tonight, in a heated exchange about taxes, an echo of that moment. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes, is cut the morning deduction for middle class people. cut the health care deduction for middle class people. take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they are -- >> is he wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. it's been done before. >> it...
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kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> now here's an object lesson for joe biden in a positive sense. eight years ago, dick cheney sat down against john edwards and he helped george w. bush stop the bleeding from bush's poor debate against john kerry. here's how that went. >> your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you senator gone. you've got one of the worst attendance records in the united states senate. the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> that was a complete distortion of my record. i know that won't come as a shock. it's amazing to hear him criticize my record or john kerry's. >> 30 seconds. >> i think his record speaks for itself and frankly it's not very distinguished. >> so what you have there is an older, experienced vice president, adopting just the right tone of kunds sencion to a younger rival. joe biden will try to do that against paul ryan tonight, guys. >> man, watching those clips -- >> gets us ready. >> spicy already. thank you
kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> now here's an object lesson for joe biden in a positive sense. eight years ago, dick cheney sat down against john edwards and he helped george w. bush stop the bleeding from bush's poor debate against john kerry. here's how that went. >> your hometown newspaper has taken to calling you senator gone. you've got one of the worst attendance records in the united states senate. the first...
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jack kennedy lowers tax rates and -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> joining us now here in new york is salon.com's joan walsh and in washington michael scherer white house correspondent for "time." >> did i not know jack kennedy. he was not a friend of mine but i feel confident in saying paul ryan is no jack kennedy. would you agree? >> i would agree with that. and he walked right into that. he wahanded that to joe biden a it was hilarious. michael, my friend, literally my friend, not in the joe biden sense, michael is my friend, is in the beltway, i don't mean to dispaur raj beltway reporters, but paul ryan has been given such a pass. he has a reputation for being a worngy guy, good at the numbers. his numbers have never added up. he has this reputation for being a deficit hawk. as joe biden said he voted for the wars, for the new medicare -- >> the prescription drug benefit. >> he voted -- >> the bush tax cuts. >> the bush tax cuts, all of the bush budgets. he voted for a bush stimulus. in addition to voting against obama stimulus but asking for money, he voted for bush stimulus and
jack kennedy lowers tax rates and -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> joining us now here in new york is salon.com's joan walsh and in washington michael scherer white house correspondent for "time." >> did i not know jack kennedy. he was not a friend of mine but i feel confident in saying paul ryan is no jack kennedy. would you agree? >> i would agree with that. and he walked right into that. he wahanded that to joe biden a it was hilarious. michael, my friend,...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans for medicare. the vice president made an effort to be engaged even when congressman ryan had the floor. unlike president obama, the vice president kept his eyes on his opponent smiling and shaking his head as the republican candidate attacked. >>> the hot topic of libya and the deadly assault in benghazi that killed four americans including the u.s. ambassador. president obama's deputy campaign manager suggested the only reason the obama's handling of the attack is because the republicans are talking about it on the campaign trail. she said that was reckless and irresponsib irresponsible.
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans...
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president kennedy got a surprise mention with joe biden's sarcastic outburst, now you're jack kennedy sparking the tweets at 58,000 per minute. the debate continued. massive questions on a crucial issue. luckily, brian williams was able to clear up the issue about the lapel pins. >> people were asking, not only is the flag larger, what is the symbol in the middle of field stripes. it's the u.s. secret service pin. they hand it out to friends and protectees. >> before the debate, "time" magazine released these photos. it triggered what was called a dumbbell debate. >>> a search on google images with the phrase completely wrong brings up mitt romney. google says there's no partisan politics here. he used the phrase about his 47% comments. >>> california congressman was debating when things got testy. the rhetoric heated up and sherman got physical. before things escalated into a wrestling match, a police officer stepped in and the debate wrapped up with no injuries. that's your morning dish of scrambled politics. here is your "first look" of how wall street is going to close. the dow cl
president kennedy got a surprise mention with joe biden's sarcastic outburst, now you're jack kennedy sparking the tweets at 58,000 per minute. the debate continued. massive questions on a crucial issue. luckily, brian williams was able to clear up the issue about the lapel pins. >> people were asking, not only is the flag larger, what is the symbol in the middle of field stripes. it's the u.s. secret service pin. they hand it out to friends and protectees. >> before the debate,...
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senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator you are no jack kennedy. >> bill: oh, stab -- stick the knife in. but of course quayle ended up becoming vice president. here is jay calling from atlanta, georgia. how, what did you think? >> caller: good morning, biden came in like a professional fighter. he was armed with facts. he was talking about the car industry and how ryan and the republicans have made a request for stimulus out of one side of your mouth and that's the facts, ping, bang. i mean give me a break. i just wish that biden had a chance to talk about that false lies that they was saying that the president has raised taxes on the middle class. he hasn't raised any taxes. >> bill: he cut taxes on the middle class. i agree, jay, he hit them on every point. and i love when paul ryan's attack of the stimulus is not working, and biden said look at this guy, he sent me two letters requesting money. and ryan had to admit, yeah i did that but it was just on behalf of my constituents. biden was right on top of that one
senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator you are no jack kennedy. >> bill: oh, stab -- stick the knife in. but of course quayle ended up becoming vice president. here is jay calling from atlanta, georgia. how, what did you think? >> caller: good morning, biden came in like a professional fighter. he was armed with facts. he was talking about the car industry and how ryan and the republicans have made a request for stimulus...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax-- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> if jack kennedy only knew how much he would come up in vice presidential debates i think paul ryan knew where that was going. i'm joined by erol lewis and thomas frank, thank you for sticking around and talking to us. you know in looking back at this it really taxes the way that they come up in these debates. the thing they're not talking about are mitt romney's taxes. the idea that they can look back and talk about taxes and ryan still getting caught with these lies and then the next day saying that's exactly what we meant to say. how does this work, errol. >> a promise has been made. a big broad promise has been made to splash taxes. it's estimated by a reasonable objective source that this could cost treasury 5 trillion-dollar over ten years. a lot of people are naturally curious. where are you going to get that 5 trillion-dollar, and it's not in this ticket's political best interest to answer this question. let's say they can do this. the mortgage deduction is going to have to go. there are a number of important tax l
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax-- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> if jack kennedy only knew how much he would come up in vice presidential debates i think paul ryan knew where that was going. i'm joined by erol lewis and thomas frank, thank you for sticking around and talking to us. you know in looking back at this it really taxes the way that they come up in these debates. the thing they're not talking about are mitt romney's taxes. the idea that they can look back and talk...
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kennedy. that serve came back at him right away. >> there was someone who tweeted no republican vice-presidential candidate should ever mention jack kennedy. >> want to get reaction from our man on the ground. john harwood is in danville, kentucky as candidates and their families gather on stage. what did you think? >> i thought paul ryan did well. i thought he held his own. when the discussion did get to the tax issue, we had a little bit of capsule what happened in this debate. you had paul ryan embracing the across the board tax cut mitt romney is running on. he was pressed by martha, who did an excellent job exactly specifically you do to pay for that tax cut, totally evaded that. what happened was as happened on other issues, joe biden got frustrated. you saw biden, he variously was laughing, smiling, got angry at times. i think there were times at which that demeanor did not serve him well. ryan did not get flustered. did have some republican political strategists who i talked to during
kennedy. that serve came back at him right away. >> there was someone who tweeted no republican vice-presidential candidate should ever mention jack kennedy. >> want to get reaction from our man on the ground. john harwood is in danville, kentucky as candidates and their families gather on stage. what did you think? >> i thought paul ryan did well. i thought he held his own. when the discussion did get to the tax issue, we had a little bit of capsule what happened in this...
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. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> wow. welcome back to "hardball." live from center college in danville, kentucky, site of tonight's big vice presidential debate. for some democrats legitimate frustration with the president's performance at loost week's debate turned into something like panic this week as a number of national polls show the president in a very tight race, even losing in some cases to mitt romney. but in the key battleground states that will decide the election, the numbers tell a somewhat different story so far. according to the latest nbc news/"wall street journal"/maris polls in ohio, florida, and virginia, romney has improved his standing only slightly. in virginia, romney has a one-point advantage. last week the president was up two in that count. in florida the president is up by one. that's not very much. and in ohio the president is up by six points, still solid there. here might be the reason why. in all three states vast majorities say their minds were made
. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> wow. welcome back to "hardball." live from center college in danville, kentucky, site of tonight's big vice presidential debate. for some democrats legitimate frustration with the president's performance at loost week's debate turned into something like panic this week as a number of national polls show the president in a very tight...
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. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female vp candidate, shot back with this. >> let me just say, first of all, that i almost resent, vice president bush, your patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy. >> sometime just one line can cement the public's view of a candidate. ross perot's running mate, admiral james stockdale, initially got laughs for this opening line. >> who am i? why am i here? >> he ended up the butt of jokes for years to come. then there was bob dole's nasty tone during the '76 debate that helped shape a long-lasting negative image for the future nominee for president. >> i figured out the other day, if we added
. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female...
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it is usually a muddled outcome, or one of the bad moments, like, i knew jack kennedy, you're no jack kennedy. but there was no sound bite in this. one other point. the moderator. i know jim lehrer has taken a lot of abuse because it lost control of the debate. we want a moderate and not to be in control. why should he be in control? the debate ought to be about the participants. i think if the moderator, ever in the future, says we have to stop this and move on, i would like to hear what candidates say, why? besides we have to have six segments instead of five. >> i have to agree on this one. the criticism of jim lehrer is off base. i noticed in the debate from top to time, obama weblog to him as if to say, help me, jim. that was not jim lehrer's role. >> in that case, the candidates should simply ask each other questions. >> let me ask you about donna brown states. as of friday, realclearpolitics average, obama, 7.6 in watching -- wisconsin been in pennsylvania, 10. new hampshire, six. ohio, 5.5. virginia, 3.5. will those numbers change? >> i think he was a tightening of the race. c
it is usually a muddled outcome, or one of the bad moments, like, i knew jack kennedy, you're no jack kennedy. but there was no sound bite in this. one other point. the moderator. i know jim lehrer has taken a lot of abuse because it lost control of the debate. we want a moderate and not to be in control. why should he be in control? the debate ought to be about the participants. i think if the moderator, ever in the future, says we have to stop this and move on, i would like to hear what...
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jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> and that is what most americans care about. and the former chairman of the council of economic advisors. nice to see you, austin. >> thank you, kbreta. >> greta: at the time tel me. were you surprised unemployment rate went down to 7.8%? is that a surprise. >> yes. it was a, if you look at data looks like it was an outlier there is a lot of variables on the numbers and it's bigger than i thought it would be. >> greta: is a number you're confident of? though you're surprised?. >> i would probably say some component of statistics. i won't be surprise fd it ticks up a little bit next month. the survey of people which is what the unemployment rate comes from has a job creation margin of error plus or minus 400,000 per month. anyone as i say, every month take a three-month average if you want to know how the job market is doing. >> greta: let me ask you about a three month average. this is what i said tonight. he said job growth in slept slower than in august. he said august slower than
jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> and that is what most americans care about. and the former chairman of the council of economic advisors. nice to see you, austin. >> thank you, kbreta. >> greta: at the time tel me. were you surprised unemployment rate went down to 7.8%? is that a surprise. >> yes. it was a, if you look at data looks like it was an outlier there is a lot of variables on the numbers and it's bigger...
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jack kennedy lowered taxes and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> first of all, i was there -- >> just one of several jab exchanges during last night's spirited vice-presidential debate. two men also sparred over judicial appointments, abortion, taxes, and unemployment. the polls split on who won that debate. cbs news showed vice president biden won about 50% to congressman ryan's 31%. here in california, the margins a little narrower. >>> both joe biden and paul ryan got right back on the campaign trail hoping to build on any post debate momentum. cbs reporter danielle nottingham shows us how both sides are claiming victory. >> reporter: vice president joe biden continues to play offense in wisconsin friday. >> it's time romney and ryan and the republican congress take a pledge to the middle class people saying we're going to level the playing field. >> reporter: a day after a spirited vice-presidential debate. >> with all due respect that's a bunch malarkey. >> watch out, middle class, the tax bill is coming to you. >> reporter: both candidates headed back
jack kennedy lowered taxes and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> first of all, i was there -- >> just one of several jab exchanges during last night's spirited vice-presidential debate. two men also sparred over judicial appointments, abortion, taxes, and unemployment. the polls split on who won that debate. cbs news showed vice president biden won about 50% to congressman ryan's 31%. here in california, the margins a little narrower. >>>...
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kennedy lowered rated -- >> oh now you are jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> one of the astounding things about this whole thing, and the vice president make the point last night but romney in the first debate said he is not going to cut taxes on people. they will pay the same amount if that is it where is his job program? if he is not going to reduce their taxes, where is his job program? he doesn't have one. >> stephanie: yeah. >> this whole thing about raising taxes on small business banks is hysterical. ryan said 53% of income would fall under small business income. but 53% of small business income is earned by 3% of the businesses. they are not small businesses. they are very profitable organizations. >> stephanie: exactly. i couldn't be happier -- what -- obviously you have been talking to a lot of people since the debate. what was your sense? >> i thought everybody on our side thought it was a home run. and i'm not the first one to say this, but the fact that the republican were harping on joe being ruud and smiling too much understand that they lost on substance substantially. the
kennedy lowered rated -- >> oh now you are jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> one of the astounding things about this whole thing, and the vice president make the point last night but romney in the first debate said he is not going to cut taxes on people. they will pay the same amount if that is it where is his job program? if he is not going to reduce their taxes, where is his job program? he doesn't have one. >> stephanie: yeah. >> this whole thing about raising taxes on...
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kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> let's bring in david cay johnston to sort it out. pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of the book "the fine print: how big companies use plain english to rob you blind." david cay, great to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here. >> isn't ryan supposed to -- you bet. isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't that a poor explanation? >> well, yes, and let me give you his idea of a study. he said there are six studies. three of those six studies are blog posts and one of them is by a research assistant at aei, which is one of the big ideological marketing organizations that pitch you their view of the world just the way companies advertise other products. but blog posts, those are studies that prove things? that's hilarious. >> why doesn't the plan add up? why doesn't his so-called plan for america, the 20% cut, add up? where's the flaw? >> well, it does add up for the very rich. if you li
kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> let's bring in david cay johnston to sort it out. pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of the book "the fine print: how big companies use plain english to rob you blind." david cay, great to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here. >> isn't ryan supposed to -- you bet. isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't...
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. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> memorable moments, but hardly game changers. while presidential debates can affect the outcome of an election, vice presidential debates like this upcoming match-up between biden and his gop challenger, paul ryan, are a different animal. >> can you see they have hit the standard of readiness, they will be ready to be able to step into the oval office and take the reigns of the presidency. but beyond that in terms of the actual debate itself, unless there's a star-killing or star-catching moment, it rarely changes the course of the debate. >> brazil says the first rule here is to do no harm. >> in terms of substance, don't break any new ground. this is not an addition for 2016, but it's about 2012 and the top of the ticket. >> biden said that contests are never easy. >> what i have been doing mostly is quite frankly studying up on congressman ryan's positions on the issues, and governor romney has embraced, at least everything that i can see. i don'
. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you are no jack kennedy. >> memorable moments, but hardly game changers. while presidential debates can affect the outcome of an election, vice presidential debates like this upcoming match-up between biden and his gop challenger, paul ryan, are a different animal. >> can you see they have hit the standard of readiness, they will be ready to be able to step into the oval office and take the reigns of the...
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>>> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> welcome back to "hardball," live from center college in danville, kentucky. what can we expect from joe biden tonight? democratic chris van hollen, he's been playing biden in the sparring matches. i have a whole list of things. will he bring out romney's positions an abortion and paul ryan's personhood, which criminalizes abortion. can biden deliver that, too? joining me right now is u.s. congressman chris van hollen who happens to be my congressman and my wife's, probably more importantly. and gentlemen, i'm going to start with you, sir, because you've been there. you know what we don't know. you know how prepared joe biden is. is he? >> he's ready to go. he's looking forward to tonight and he understands the stakes are high and he's looking forward to talking about the choices in this election. absolutely. >> it's faster, more punches are thrown. does he have a different role than he knows for running for pres
>>> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> welcome back to "hardball," live from center college in danville, kentucky. what can we expect from joe biden tonight? democratic chris van hollen, he's been playing biden in the sparring matches. i have a whole list of things. will he bring out romney's positions an abortion and paul ryan's personhood, which criminalizes abortion. can biden deliver that, too?...
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jack kennedy, ronald reagan. biden: now your jack kennedy? gerri: that was a cheap sh. bided was wrong when he claimed lower tax rates never had higher revenues. 1920's were slashed from 70% down a 20%. there rose 60%. kennedy cut acros the board with the top rate down at 70%. tax revenues jump. ronald reagan proposed sweeping tax rate reduction and the result revenues up 99%. biden: we made sure we cut taxes for the middle-class. gerri: not even close to trooper release seven taxes from obamacare ball directly on the middle class. the tax for not having health care insurance. obamacare taxed the ma in the name of flexible spending account in those to deduct from taxes. i could go on and on. joe biden scored big points claiming hedgefunds would benefit. biden: 90% of small business america make less than $250,000. others are hedge funds making $600 billion per year that counts as the small business. gerri: hedge fund? the irs says they fall within the household of the top two brackets that the administration wants to raise taxes. and more than half of americans. vice pr
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ronald reagan -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> reporter: biden went right at ryan over mitt romney's controversial comments calling 47% of americans who don't pay income taxes irresponsible. >> the idea, if you heard that, that little sol little quill on 47%, you think he just made a mistake, then i got a bridge to sell you. >> i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. >> reporter: when biden wasn't talking, he seemed oddly amused. by our count -- smiling or breaking out in laughter 92 separate times. expressive, often interrupting and occasionally personal. >> this is a bunch of stuff. look, here's the deal. >> what does that mean, a bunch of stuff? >> well, it means it's simply inaccurate. >> it's irish. >> it -- it is. we irish call it malarkey. >> thanks for the translation. >> reporter: and ryan needled ryan over the president's performance in last week's debate. >> i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost groun
ronald reagan -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> reporter: biden went right at ryan over mitt romney's controversial comments calling 47% of americans who don't pay income taxes irresponsible. >> the idea, if you heard that, that little sol little quill on 47%, you think he just made a mistake, then i got a bridge to sell you. >> i think the vice president very well knows sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> awesome. >> joe biden is -- >> yeah. >> but, you know, actually, couple things there. one is the biden saying not mathematically possible over and over again which is sort of where i think a lot of the left wanted the president to go really hard on this doesn't work. it's not -- it's not amyth ma tick -- the math doesn't work. but then the jack kennedy thing -- i'm curious to know what you thought of that. some on the right thought that was really unnecessary, that was a low blow, that wasn't very statesman like. other people said put the young whipper snapper in his place. >> that moment was just systematic of the debate. joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split d
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> awesome. >> joe biden is -- >> yeah. >> but, you know, actually, couple things there. one is the biden saying not mathematically possible over and over again which is sort of where i think a lot of the left wanted the president to go really hard on this doesn't work. it's not -- it's not amyth ma tick -- the math doesn't work. but then the jack kennedy thing -- i'm curious to know what you...
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. >> ronald reagan and jack kennedy -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> the vice president almost got dismissive when he tried to question the administration's business in afghanistan. >> at times joe biden used answers like marlakey over answers paul ryan gave. the romney/ryan ticket has been saying the united states has been pulling too many troops out of afghanistan leave doing small of force to defend itself in the eastern part of that country. now again here biden staying on the attack questioning ryan's understanding of the obama administration's policy to train afghan troops to take over the fight against the taliban. >> it's the most dangerous place in the world. >> that's why we don't want to send fewer -- >> that's why we should send americans in to do the job. you'd rather americans >> no. we are already sending americans to do the job but fewer of them. >> that's right. we're sending in more afghans to do the job, afghans to do the job. >> you know, this post debate spin has already gone into high gear tonight. republicans sending out dozens of e-mails to reporters tonight questionin
. >> ronald reagan and jack kennedy -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> the vice president almost got dismissive when he tried to question the administration's business in afghanistan. >> at times joe biden used answers like marlakey over answers paul ryan gave. the romney/ryan ticket has been saying the united states has been pulling too many troops out of afghanistan leave doing small of force to defend itself in the eastern part of that country. now again here biden...
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. >> jack kennedy -- >> jack kennedy coming up in these debates. both men covered several elections. biden came off as rude he has never seen anything like this from any other candidate. >> what you saw while paul ryan was talking was smirking, laughing, smiling, mugging, by the vice president. and my sense about it was that it was so xheling people couldn't see the keep their eye off of it. i thought it was unattractive and rude and i have a feeling it will come across as rude. it looks like a cranky old man to some extent debating a polite young man. >> i think i have watched almost every presidential and vice presidential debate since the first four kennedy nixon debates since 1960 thinking back over the next few minutes i don't believe i have ever seen a debate when one participant was as openly disrespectful as the other as biden was to paul ryan. you can talk about the smirks the head shaking, it was con tenuous and disrespectful. >> that lead us to our brew on this question of the day. what did you think of the debate? send your comments via
. >> jack kennedy -- >> jack kennedy coming up in these debates. both men covered several elections. biden came off as rude he has never seen anything like this from any other candidate. >> what you saw while paul ryan was talking was smirking, laughing, smiling, mugging, by the vice president. and my sense about it was that it was so xheling people couldn't see the keep their eye off of it. i thought it was unattractive and rude and i have a feeling it will come across as...
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. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> memorable moments, but hardly game-changers. while presidential debates can affect the outcome of an election, vice presidential debates, like this week's upcoming match-up between vice president biden and his gop challenger paul ryan, are a different animal. >> you need to be able to see that each vice presidential candidate has hit the standard of readiness. they'll be ready in an emergency in a national crisis to step into the oval office and to take the reins of the presidency. beyond that, in terms of the actual debate itself, unless there is a stark killing or stark catching moment, it rarely changes the course of the debate. >> donna brazile says the first rule here is to do no harm. >> in terms of substance, try not to break any new ground. this is an audition for 2016. this is about 2012, and the top of the ticket. >> i don't like a damn thing about him. >> biden, who participated in more than 20 debates and forums in the 2008 campaign, sai
. >> i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> memorable moments, but hardly game-changers. while presidential debates can affect the outcome of an election, vice presidential debates, like this week's upcoming match-up between vice president biden and his gop challenger paul ryan, are a different animal. >> you need to be able to see that each vice presidential candidate has hit the standard of readiness. they'll be ready in...
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are jack kennedy? stuart: that was interesting. i would say the vice president thought it wrong. why? because it encouraged economic growth. running the company right now is someone who agrees with me. that is why he is here. steve forbes. welcome to the program. i think this is economic history 101. i think joe biden got it flat out wrong last night and you say? >> it was absolutely wrong. brian was not comparing himself to kennedy, he was talking about his tax proposals. the budget deficit went out and the american economy went up. the key thing is, let's forget about the government. they are a mess. what does it do for the american people and the economy? ryan was right on kennedy. he was right on reagan. stuart: you have taken part in republican high-level presidential debates. back in, what was it, 96 and 2000. you were in those debates. how do you judge biden's performance? >> the base of the party would love it did the most independent voters, the more and more they see, they will be put off by
are jack kennedy? stuart: that was interesting. i would say the vice president thought it wrong. why? because it encouraged economic growth. running the company right now is someone who agrees with me. that is why he is here. steve forbes. welcome to the program. i think this is economic history 101. i think joe biden got it flat out wrong last night and you say? >> it was absolutely wrong. brian was not comparing himself to kennedy, he was talking about his tax proposals. the budget...